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Dumble Overdrive Special Full-rig 'estate Items In Mint Condition' For Sale
DUMBLE OVERDRIVE SPECIAL FULL-RIG 'Estate Items in Mint Condition' Alexander DUMBLE built this rig for Todd Epstein in 1994:Dumble Overdrive Special#0180, Speakers, Dumbleator II with Foot-Pedal, All stored in grey Road-Cases. Glassy Tone and Electronic AmplificationThis Dumble Rig is perfect for a Musician who wants glassy tone with powerful electronic amplification. The Dumble Rig includes: Dumble #0180 Overdrive Special 100, Dumbleator II, Speakers,Foot-pedal; all enclosed in new-looking grey road-cases.Virtually Never Used ~ Epstein passed away in 1995. I haveprotected and preserved this Dumble Rig in it's original condition in the original road-cases, 100%. Epstein played this rig about a dozen times at home and twice on stage. Long Ago in the 1970-1980's -Dumble and Epstein both lived in Santa Cruz. Dumble owned a Music Electronics Shop that specialized exclusively inup-grading musical electronics. Epstein played Rock and Roll, Jazz and Blues here in Santa Cruz. Epstein probably had every Dumble Modification possible for his Vintage '62 Fender Bassman (photoshown here) and(listed now on :Dumble Modified This 62 Fender Bassman). Epstein, verging on a come-back in 1993-94, visited Dumble several times at hisMusic Electronics Shopin LA - as this Overdrive Special Rig was being created. Epstein's side-agreement with Dumble: Epstein would become 'Famous' and help promote the Dumble Overdrive Special at guitar shows - etc.. Guitar Player Magazine once listed the 25 most expensive vintage amps. in the world.The Dumble Overdrive Special was #1.Message to Alexander: Please contact me about this sale. Local pick-up is preferred. Buyer pays for preferred method of delivery.Serious Buyers are Welcome to ask Questions. Teresa (831) 246-4243 class="MsoNormal" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Times; ">Guitar Player article from 1985 by Dan Forte
Jackson Brown is wandering the back stage caverns of San Francisco's Cow Palace looking a bit worried. "Where's Lindley?" he asks his road manager [...] "We're onstage in 15 minutes!"
A door at the end of the hallway is seeming blasted open by a torrent of beefy sustained lap steel licks. Inside, Lindley is squatting precariously, his Hawaiian guitar balanced on his knees. Crunching chords and crystal-clear single notes pour out of a crude-looking amplifier about a foot in front of his face.
"I want this one, Howard," David says to a large man who is smiling like a proud father. "Not this model, not one like this, but this one, OK?"
"It's just a prototype." Howard Dumble points out.
"Fine," nods Lindley. "I'll take it."
David Lindley, of course is notorious for using a vast array of exotic guitars from an instrument collection that number well over 100. But on the road, he uses only one brand of amplifier, a fact that makes Howard Dumble understandably proud. As Lindley told Guitar Player in a July '77 interview, "I've got a lot of little amps, but on the road, I always use Dumble amps because they never break down. We went about getting the sound in those amps by taking an old Fender Deluxe to Howard Dumble and saying, 'We want this, but bigger and louder.' And Howard got the closest of anybody I've heard."
Howard Dumble, 40 [in September of 1985], grew up in Bakersfield, California, and began building transistor radios from scratch at age 12. He took up guitar at 16 (he later did his fair share of studio dates in Hollywood, which included working with songwriter Jim Webb), and in 1965 built a series of amplifiers for Mosrite that were used by the Ventures. An extensive tour backing Buffy Sainte-Marie financed Dumble's first "out of the backyard and into a building" amp shop in 1968, in Santa Cruz, California. The following year, Dumble came out with his Explosion model amplifier (his original prototype still works), which later evolved in the Overdrive Special. His line of amplifiers currently includes seven basic models: the Overdrive, the Steel-String Singer, the Winterland and the Dumbleland for bass and guitar, the rack-mount Phoenix, a no-frills 50-watt Dumbleman, and the Dumblelator--a tube vs. sold-state impedance translator--as well as the Big Tex reverb unit. From the beginning, he has remained a one-man operation, personally building every one of his amplifiers by hand.
In spite of their steep price tags--a standard 100-watt overdrive head sells for $1,925.00; the Steel-String Singer and Dumbleland each go for $5000.00 before options--Dumbles are always in demand, and Howard has his hands full keeping up with orders. Besides Lindley and Browne, the impressive roster of Dumble users includes Larry Carlton, Bonnie Raitt, Graham Nash, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Jay Graydon, Ry Cooder, Tom Verlaine, Eric Johnson, Steve Lukather, Robben Ford, Dean parks, Carlos Rios, The Beach Boys, Christopher Cross, Tiran Porter, Jimmy Haslip, Jerry Miller, Thom Rhotella, Randy California, Terry Haggerty, Rick Vito, Kenny Loggins, and many others.
In discussing what's so special about his amplifiers, Dumble uses aesthetic more than technical terms. "That's the bottom line," he stresses. "It's the emotional influence that's really important; technology is secondary--it's just a vehicle. The idea is to have lots of fun."
Improvisational specialist Henry Kaiser (http://www.henrykaiser.net/) elaborates on what sets the Dumble apart from the rest of the amp crowd: "Number one, you could drop the thing out of a four-story building, replace any tubes that break, and it'll work fine. It does appear to be the most durably built amp possible. Number two, it seems to me that Howard, through a long intuitive working process, tunes the amps and designs by ear so that they're very sophisticated machines for producing a wide variety of tones and distortion colorations. Because of my specific avant-garde bent, I'm really interested in tone and timbre, and I need to have a really wide palette of tonal color available to me, and I've got about four times as many colors available on the Dumble. Any other amp sounds awful to me. I feel terrible if I play anything else--except for a Fender Champ."
In an august '77 Guitar Player feature, the late Lowell George of Little Feat was more succinct. "It's like a Fender made right," he said of his Dumble. "It's the best amp I've ever played through."
Your amps have a reputation for almost never breaking down. How do you build in such durability?
Those are absolute guarded secrets. In fact, if you take the amplifier apart, you can't detect how I do it. I definitely have secrets that make the amp perform and last the way it does. With most companies, it's just a misapplication of technology. you don't have to destroy the product--you don't have to get a Variac and turn it up to 170 volts--to get good results. An extreme amount of attention is paid to every connection. Plus, I found which parts last and which ones don't.
What made you gravitate towards electronics in the first place?
I loved music, for one thing. Music's always been a passion. I used to listen to Les Paul and Mary Ford as a kid. Also, I come from an engineering family; my father developed one of the first automatic transmissions. It wasn't hard to absorb the technology; it was just there to do. I also saw that I could make some bucks at it. I started making small pocket radios from scratch for the kids in school for $5.00 a pop. I was doing real well until one day everybody had one, and there were enough radios in the class that you could hear the local rock station at a small din through all the earpieces. So, the teacher finally busted me.
What inspired you to first build an amp?
I was a junior in high school, and this guy named Jack smith came over and wanted me to build a piece of equipment for the junior baseball association. He said that he had access to a "mountain of parts"--I said OK! We went down to this big warehouse, and there were heaps of parts, so we gleaned as many as we could--all free. We built this huge 200-watt power amplifier so they could announce to nine baseball diamonds. As I understand it, it still works today. Then, Jack and I made some Dual showman-type amps, although we couldn't get Fender transformers--they were very tight about what they'd send you--so we used David Hafler transformers, which made the amp sound quite extraordinary.
Prior to building your own amps, had you taken apart others amps such as Fenders and Gibsons?
I can draw some of the those schematics from memory [laughs]. Of course, I had to absorb other approaches. In fact, my old Fender mods I did in the late '60s were exactly the same as the schematics a lot of the later high-gain amplifiers used.
How did you come to make amps for the Ventures?
I was an 18-year-old kid in school in Bakersfield, and I went to see Semie Moseley, who was the only person I had access to there. I walked in and just bold-faced said, "I've got something that sounds like nothing else. You better hear it." And it flipped him out; he said, "This is the best thing I've ever heard." He offered to go in with me to build 10 amplifiers. He bought the parts and paid me $90.00 a week--for about four weeks, and then I had to work for free. But I still got to build 10 amplifiers on a production basis when I was only a kid. They were called Mosrite amps, but they were my design. Actually, I built 11, so I still have the original one I built. The Ventures played through them and were really interested, but it was a little too much rock for them. They wanted me to go into business with them, but I decided against it, and went back to playing in studios and in rock bands.
Did your early amps have certain qualities lacking in commercially available amps of that period?
Yes, I definitely made sure they had more frequency bandwidth. One thing I noticed about the early guitar amps was that they were real limited, especially in the lower end. But you have to be careful to make sure you still keep the proper midrange and treble response. I found that out early on. You can't build a hi-fi circuit and expect it to be a good guitar amp--it just doesn't work out. you need a whole different response curve. But I did notice that if I put a little more low-end into the preamp circuitry, it was much more tasteful and fun to play.
Once you got started, did a Dumble philosophy evolve?
I try to be flexible. I've always been aware that whatever I make has to be crafted with the best intentions. Never have anything shoddy. Always makes sure that it works and looks perfect. The actual techniques I use to get the sound that I go after have evolved extensively. It's a growing process. That's the toughest thing about staying with one thing. you're always thinking of new ways to do it. Basically, I've kept the Overdrive the same but the other models are open to flexibility.
What changes did the Explosion undergo before it became the Overdrive Special?
The active circuitry changed quite a bit, and the tone circuitry did also. But the concept of processing the signal post preamp stayed the same. Most other high-gain amplifiers use a pre-preamp gain boost, but I broke away from that quite early, in the late '60s. I found that trying to build the signal up before the preamp had a tendency to really overload the preamp, and you got nonharmonic tones and a very unmusical end result. Plus, you ran into a lot of vacuum-tube problems with harmonic's. So, what I wanted to do was get all that wonderful oomph and beautiful sustain and harmonic richness without the electronic troubles.
Were you making what was to become the overdrive before you made the Steel-String Singer?
The Steel-String Singer came later, but I actually started making a series of amplifiers called the Dumbleland in about '66, and I still make them. That was the forerunner of the Steel-String Singer. I didn't change a whole lot about that; it was a design way ahead of its time. It was too much power and too silky clean for people. It's perfect for Stevie Ray, though. He has a hard time playing an Overdrive.
Why is the Overdrive so sensitive?
It's a different kind of signal handling. In the Overdrive, I approach gain levels that are extremely intense; within the linear region, I have a signal gain capability of one million. So if you stuck 10 microvolts in, you'd get 10 volts back. And I do it with stability, and it's still very musical. The best way to approach an Overdrive is real slow. Walk up to it, look at the knobs, have it turned down real low, and then get a feeling for it. Learn what to do with your fingers to make it respond well. If you walk right up to it, it has a tendency to absolutely frighten some people. The secret control on the Overdrive's panel section is the ratio control, which controls how much overdrive is fed back into the circuit. If you turn that up, it's Rock City.
How different is the Overdrive Special you customized for David Lindley from a standard model?
I might have changed the value of a capacitor to some extent, so that it has a different treble response, but the circuitry is basically the same.
Lindley says that for certain sounds he's looking for, you sometimes borrow his guitar and Dumble for the weekend to match the amp to the guitar?
That's true. The amplifier responds so differently to each guitar that to get some effects, I need to use the player's guitars, instead of my own. That's one the great things about the amplifier; it doesn't modify any guitar into any one sound or homogenize it. It expands whatever you start with. The amplifier is a real important part of the sound regeneration system, but it needs to be very responsive to whatever the guitar is delivering. The philosophy I try to keep in the amplifier is that whatever you can hear in your head, this will help you get it.
Stevie Ray Vaughan calls his Steel-String singer the "King Tone Consoul."
There are some different things about Stevie's. His is set up more like a bass amp, modified to accommodate the guitar range. It's not the usual lead guitar "Singer" approach. One thing he liked was that he could turn the volume control all the way up and it didn't distort--it just got louder. He does make it distort sometimes because he has about 50 megatons of pressure when he attacks the strings [laughs]. He gets an incredible amount of signal out of his guitar, and most amplifiers can't take it. He did his first album with a bass amp I'd made for Jackson Browne.
Some players describe Dumbles as different, more powerful, more durable more efficient versions of a Fender Deluxe
That's a good way to describe it--in a limited fashion. There are some great qualities to a small Deluxe. You get a great harmonic structure at a small acoustic volume. It's real pleasing, especially when you're playing by yourself. But that sound is not convertible into a group ambience--it's gone. So, in the respect that I try to get something comfortable and very musical, only in a bigger fashion, that's a good analogy. But the circuitry is not even close. I use vacuum tubes, and transformers and knobs, but the similarity stops there. To get the result I want, I have to use unique circuitry. It's my tone circuits and coupling circuits and the way I process phase-inversion.
Can you "Dumble-ize" a Fender amp to the point that it shares the Dumble philosophy and sound, or would it be a compromise?
It's a compromise. The actual physical construction of the Fender limits what can be done. In fact, after the last Steel-String Singer mod I did to David Lindley's amps, he no longer uses the Fender Bassman I Dumbleized for him. He wanted this luscious transparency and response--like floating in white clouds--and I came up with special circuitry. I can use a Fender chassis, but you have to rip everything off of it, fill in all the holes, and re-drill it. They're just a little bit too squashed. A distance of half a centimeter makes a big difference in the way something sounds. It's a science involved with what's called circuit constants.
Instead of a single bright/deep switch, most of your amps have separate bright and deep switches. Can you use both at the same time?
Oh, you bet. It gets luscious low notes that you could float on and beautiful, crystalline highs that are silky as glass.
How many watts are the various models?
The overdrives are 100 watts, but they're switchable down to 50, and I do make a special 150-watt Overdrive, which is a lot of fun. The range in power goes from a 25-watt recording amp called the Hotel Hog up to the 450-watt Winterland, named after the concert hall in San Francisco.
Could there be an ultimate amp for you, or are the Overdrive and Steel-String Singer too distinctive to be combined?
Well, the Phoenix series is where I've done that--so you can combine things--because it's a rack-mounted affair. You can by all the separate preamps, with or without overdrive, and a choice of 50-, 100-, or 150-watt power amplifiers, and hook them together. The overdrive section is expanded--instead of two overdrive controls, you have four.
After experimenting with various speakers, what do you favor?
I've gone with everything, there are a lot of things I still like. The most versatile is the EV. But all manufacturers, include Altec and JBL, make wonderful speakers that do specific jobs other speakers can't do. I divide speakers into two classifications: the efficient and the low-efficient. Both are very useable. Low efficiency speakers are things like Celestion and Jenson and PAS. Usually because of the physical construction, they don't get the same acoustic level per watt as the Altecs, JBLs, and EVs do. There's an advantage to that, because you can make the amplifier work harder to get the same acoustic level, and a whole different kind of harmonic structure results. I love the sound of JBLs, especially for chords, but I had a lot of trouble with 4" voice coil not traveling in a linear fashion. The actual coil would short out against the magnet structure. The Altecs didn't do that, so I was using them up until '79, when EV started coming out the the EVM series.
How does your philosophy on speaker enclosures contrast with other companies?
I think mine's different. I just don't believe in a baffle board with a couple of sides. Everything is designed to respond tonally. Even my open-back enclosures use air to the optimum. It's an ongoing process; I'm still finding out things that are useful. There's a definite technique to developing enclosures. Instead of increasing the output all from the front by feeding more watts in, I designed a special series of open-back enclosures so that there's actually an air pole inversion process--I make the air respond in an in-phase relationship, both in front and in the rear of the enclosure. So, from the same amount of speakers, it's almost a doubling of sound.
Does that change the tonal quality?
Yes. The low end is absolutely luscious. You feel like you're floating on a football field filled with marshmallows. And it gives a singe to the midrange that puts solos right out there. It works great for chords and solos, but especially well for slide. It's the kind of enclosure that Lindley and Lowell George used.
Is there a single emotional aim you're shooting for, or many?
It's a whole panorama. I don't believe in being confined. There are hundreds, perhaps thousands or millions, of valid guitar tones. When the air becomes electric, that's the right sound, no matter what the one is. It's that sound exciting the senses.
And so, without further adieu, I plugged straight in to see what I might discover. Wow! I was completely stunned at how well the amplifier responded to my touch. Not only that, but I could immediately detect something very unique about the tone. It was definitely large and in charge, putting it mildly. It was the very first time that I heard that voice—what you might call “Flugelhorn midrange”—and the overdriven tone was thick, rich, and elastic. It was an amazing sonic texture to behold that could best be described like this: Imagine for a second the way a nice chunk of premium European milk chocolate, or freshly churned butter, melts down the sides of your mouth when it warms up. That’s the way this amplifier sounded to my ears.
The second thing I noticed was the remarkable speed of its response to what I played through it. The term now used to describe this is what Ken Fischer would call a fast response amplifier. This is in stark comparison to any Fender amplifier, which he referred to as slow, or gradual, response. The actual “feel” between these two types of amplifiers is markedly different. With a fast response amplifier, any mistakes you make will come out loud and clear. You cannot hide this in any way! They are extremely unforgiving to your fingers and as such, you must get used to this lack of time delay. Quick reactions are required to tame the Dumble animal! By contrast, any Fender amplifier is much more forgiving, thus allowing you to get away with many more clams.
Of course, I inquired as to the price of these special amplifiers. Back in those early days, the price of a Dumble amplifier was somewhere in the $1250-$1300 range. Just to give you a little perspective, a new Mesa Boogie Mark I combo amplifier (also handmade) was approximately $300 less, and came fully loaded with all the options (that said, these two brands of amplifiers do not sound similar to each other in any way).
An interesting side note: The afternoon I spent with Dumble was illuminating for yet another reason. His Les Paul Custom felt really odd to me. When I handed it back to its owner, he told me that the high E string was an .018, yet he bent it like it was a rubber band! No wonder my fingers had a very hard time bending the E.
Next month we’re going to talk more about the origins of the first fast response amplifier circuits and how they influenced Alexander Dumble (and a few others) to develop killer sounding tools for the electric guitarist. There will be some more surprises in store, so stay tuned!
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TheDumble Modified 62 Fender Bassmanis not yet listed on .
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Alexander Dumble may request the new owner to sign his contract to protect the design of the Dumble Overdrive Special. T.
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Fender Bassman Amp. 1962 ~Dumble Modified This Fender Bassman Amp. To give more accurate information about the modifications - so I can be accurate with listing the '62 Fender Bassman Amp. and Speaker Bottom; An analysis by a trusted Music Store is underway.I hope to have the information soon and will list the Bassman Amp. shortly thereafter.T.
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A Blueprint has now been completed as to 'what the knobs are for' - on the back of the '62 Fender Bassman Amp..Wednesday I plan to list the Bassman and Speaker Set on with all the details I now have about this Rig.T.On Feb-07-13 at 15:03:20 PST, seller added the following information:
Dumble Modified This 62 Fender Bassman AmplifierIn the late 70's Alexander Dumble lived in Santa Cruz and Modified This Amp.This rig is now listed on />On Feb-08-13 at 11:49:33 PST, seller added the following information:
Dumble Faxes: Epstein was a leading musician in Santa Cruz when Dumble lived here, late 70's and early 80's. Epstein gave up music 'kinda' for NLP for about 10 years. Then he went to see Robben Ford play, and the next day he contacted Dumble in LA for the Overdrive you can see from these faxes, at first Dumble won't take a new order ....... within days Todd goes to LA to see the Amps. in Dumble's shop .......Todd gets his Overdrive Special and all the other things, one by one, over the next year. Teresa 1, are the copies of a data sheet and the order agreements.When you call, I will go over the operation of the amplifier and the effects interface device you noticed in Robben Ford’s rack.December 1, you for your interest in my amplifiers and in response to your request for information…have enclosed (1) Overdrive Special data sheet, (2) price schedule, (3) order agreement, (4) security agreement.These documents provide an outline of the basic ordering structure and procedures.However, if you have any questions…I still custom manufacture all of my products “one-at-a-time” with extreme care and attentions.So each amplifier and speaker enclosure can very much be considered a prototype device suitable as a model for mass manufacturing, copying procedures.Hence, this is the reason for the security agreement.The emphasis here as always is making the highest quality product capable of resplendent, impressive performance.Presently, the standard order system is “closed” and no orders are being accepted for this system. The Express-180 order system is limited as to the number of orders that can be accepted.So before you plan to use this order system, please check with me concerning the status and availability of the system.Please contact me for further information, etc.Epstein goes to LA and play the Amps. December 7, your transmissions, etc…Each amplifier is as following:
1.the black amp has .....................
2.the black amp has a standard overdrive set at low calibration
3.the tan amp has ...................
4.the tan amp has the newer HRM Overdrive set at Fixnet ver. 1.0.
The tan amp has bigger transformers and can hold a signal more faithfully. So that is one reason why the tan amp sounds cleaner.It actually can be adjusted with front panel controls to perform overdrive functions quite dramatically.Also, the Marshall 4x12 will make an amplifier work harder in to the saturation level of operation giving that warmer sound apparency.So using the older, black amp to drive the 4x12 does load amplifier at a point where it’s easy to get the “warm edge” sound.The adjustment that Jeff mentioned in the Dumblelators was a gain adjustment to accommodate a distortion problem in the effects.As it turned out, the correct adjustment was actually performed on the TC2290, and the adjustments made to the Dumblelator was unnecessary.Also, the Dumblelator is mono-in with mono-out while the Dumblelator II is mono-in with stereo-out.December 9, this point, I am leaning towards the .............................., along with the Dumblelator mono version.Are there any other choices that I would have to make in relation to the Set-up? For example, are there different calibration choices for the overdrive?If so, please advise me to what else I need to address before you send me the final paperwork.December 10, situation with the overdrive processor calibration is that the adjustment is done with a trim pot located on the internal circuit board.December 11, the stereo effect, yes, you can use another amp and speaker system to achieve the second half of stereo effects reproductions systems as long as you are able to compensate for gain levels, you can probably make do.The Dumblelator II just allows for the second signal half to be amplified to the correct gain point where the resulting signal can…
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Dumble Overdrive Special Full-rig 'estate Items In Mint Condition': $55,600